Screaming Circuits: Engineer stories

Pour Or Not - Just What Is My Opinion?

I posed a question about using copper pours (AKA flood) a not long ago. The premise was a simple microcontroller board with a 20MHz clock and no special requirements.

Cooper pour exampleI had a couple of different comments on the post with some very good insight. Myself, I generally don't use copper pours. My only reason is that I think it usually looks better without. Although, I do like the look of the cross-hatch pour on the Arduino. A well done flood can be pretty cool, but still my inclination is to only use it if it's needed. If it's a shop doing the PCB, the metal will be recovered and recycled, so the conservationist in me is pleased.

If it's a home etched deal, then a pour is probably a better idea because it will reduce the amount of etchant needed. Although you do need to be careful to keep plenty of space between things to prevent solder bridges. Solder bridging isn't such a big deal on a PCB with a good solder mask, but it certainly is on a board with no mask or thin mask.

If there is a good reason, I will. Like a high-current motor driver - I use the pour to keep the current capacity up and the kelvons mellow. Heat sinking is a good reason for a pour. Hi speed stuff usually benefits from a flooded plane of some sort too and in four-layer boards, using the inner planes for power and or ground is nice and convenient. But you all know that. I'm just rambling now.

Duane Benson
Does high speed stuff on a flooded plane require a speed boat?
Will too much heat sink it?

To Pour, Or Not To Pour. That Is The Question

Pcb w o pour Pcb w pourI know there are plenty of times when a copper-pour ground or power plane is a good idea, sometimes even a requirement. But, is it always so? Take a simple embedded microcontroller board. It has a 20MHz clock speed. Nothing too dramatic. No big power drains anywhere. Just milliamps going here and there.

Does it still help? What about the "greenness" of it? If more of the copper is etched off, more metal will be recovered from the fab company's chemical vats. Or does the additional etch time and and acid required for clearing the board of copper outweigh the benefits of the additional recovered copper?

Looking at all of the boards we get through our assembly lines here, I can't really tell a general industry preference. It's hard to detect an internal plane visually and surface pours don't seem to be any more popular then the lack of them. So, I don't know what the world says.

Any thoughts on this? Anyone? Anyone?

Duane Benson

A New Place To Find Screaming Circuits PCB Assembly

Screaming Circuits and Sunstone Circuits have partnered for board fab and assembly for many years and now, we've made things easier for our common customers. You can order Screaming Circuits Assembly at Sunstone while your order your board fab.

Just order your boards from Sunstone like you always have, but on the quote page (for PCBexpress or Full Featured PCBs), check the box labeled: "NEW! Quote & Order Assembly" as shown in the screen capture below.

NEW quote

Check the box pointed at by the big red arrow I added in to the screen capture above. Then, you'll get a Assembly options_cbox to pop up with two choices: "Drop Ship Assembly" and "Bundle Assembly". If you select to drop ship with the button "Select Assembly", after your boards are fabbed, they will be sent directly to Screaming Circuits. With this option, you'll have to go ahead and come to our website and place your order separately before the boards get here. We've had that option for quite a while.

If you choose the new option, to bundle, by clicking "Quote Assembly" you will see a quote form and you'll be able to quote and order your assembly rightAssembly quote_c then and there. The order will be placed with us, the boards will be shipped to us and you'll get fully assembled boards from us. You will still have to send us the parts and make sure we have all the files we need though. We'll get your order ready in our system and give you a call to make sure that we have everything that you need.

You can, of course, still order your boards and your assembly separately. That's not a problem at all, but if you are getting your PCBs fabbed by Sunstone Circuits, we hope this added feature will make your job just a little bit easier.

Musings on Open Source Hardware

I've written a bit about open source hardware before, mostly in reference to the Beagleboard. I'm pretty sold on the concept, myself. But, while open source has become a household concept in the software world, it's still fairly new to hardware. In the case of the Beagleboard, it's really cool because it can give a designer a big head start on using the Ti OMAP processor. Anything from the whole schematic down to just the BGA escape routing can be applied to any design.

But it's not just that. Say I have a little microcontroller board that I've put together. I use it for robots and other sorts of tinkering. It's PIC based and pretty simple. Right now, it just communicates with the outside world via RS232, but I want to add USB to it. I could start with Digi-Key and search for all of the various USB chips and spend hours digging through data sheets to see which one looks best/easiest to implement for my application. Or...

Beagleboard USB

Arduino USB

Or, I could take a look at the schematics for the Beagleboard and the Arduino. Beagleboard is open source hardware based on the ARM Cortex-A8 OMAP3530 processor from Ti. Arduino is open source hardware based on an 8-bit Atmel microcontroller. They both have USB interfaces and I know that both boards work well and have been pretty thoroughly debugged.

Here's two examples that a lot of other folks have already spent time on. I want to spent my design time on the unique parts of my board - the things I've done to make it easy for the types of projects that I want to do with it. USB is USB. I don't want to spend my time doing something that a million other people have already done. I can take a look at the two approaches here and pick one and be done with it. I don't have to dig through web sites to find data sheets and then try to interpret the manufacturers reference design and hope it was fully thought out and tested. I hate that. Some chips come with great reference designs. Some don't come with any and some come with half-baked schematics that only work in the very specific test environment of the chip company's lab.

I know these two work. I can pick one, plop it into my design, make sure I give proper attribution and then just run with it. Very nice and a big time saver.

Duane Benson
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a usb-controller by the Vcc.

PCB123 ZigBee Robots, Part Four

This is the third or fourth in this series. I paused for a while and just picked it back up again. As I eat my soup and write this, it occurs to me that I've given each post a different name so if anyone actually wants to follow my progress, I've made it quite difficult to do so. I'll recap first and then later, try to be more consistent with post titles.

  1. It all started at the ESC show back in Boston with this post called "Easy Zigbee" about some ZigBee modules I found in the Microchip booth. You'll note that I'm using Microchip components in this series, but my sister company, MEC Innovation, uses a lot of Atmel chips. We like both company's chips here. Especially with good salsa.
  2. Next, I wrote about my plan in "ZigBee, Part two".
  3. The most recent post in this series was "PCB123 QFN Footprint". That's where I started with the CAD package and I got stalled with the parts library.

From now on, I'll identify this series as "PCB123 ZigBee Robots, Part X".

Anyway, enough of that rubbish. I've picked it up again and this morning created the library part for the QFN28 PIC18F2321 microcontroller. I'm lousy at building footprints so I consider that a major accomplishment.

I have a couple more footprints to make - a DFN8 regulator and a CSP BGA RS232 chip. I muddled through the microcontroller but after I do those other two chips, I should be clear enough to able to post some hints on how to make your library components in PCB123.

Duane Benson
Later - I'm going to finish my soup now.

PCB123 QFN 28 footprint

First things first. I still haven't received the little ZigBee modules. Microchip said they'd ship out on the 14th so I shouldn't expect any different. I'm going ahead and getting started on the schematic anyway.

When I get the modules, I'll probably write the code and try them out on an old PIC board that I designed and built a while back. But eventually, I want a nice small integrated package so that means a new schematic and layout. I have the schematic partially done in another CAD package, but I'm rolling with Sunstone's PCB123 this time.

QFN28 footprint drawing The first thing to do is start looking at the components. I expect the footprints will be there for all of the passives, but given that PCB123 V3 is fairly new, I would also expect that some of the more complex parts won't be there. I'm tackling the PIC 18F2321 in a QFN28 package first. It will be a good opportunity to see if I can follow my own advice and make an easily and reliably manufacturable library component.

Most of it will be easy, but I will likely put some vias in the center pad area. I'll mask them properly. I'll also make sure that I create a proper paste stencil area. It's a 6x6x0.9 mm, 28 lead QFN package. The datasheet has the basic outline, but it also references a more detailed packaging specification on the Microchip website. I'll go there and get as much footprint information as they have.

Of course, even there I can find room for confusion. Microchip lists eight 28-Lead QFN footprints. Ugh. Just to be clear, this is the 6x6x0.9 mm with .40 mm contact length. Page 135. Ironically, the page in that detailed specification is the same one as in the datasheet and it even uses the same "For the most current package drawings..." statement referring to it's self. And no where in this 192 page document could I find anything on the paste layer. I'll segment the paste opening in the middle pad and shoot for about 50% coverage.

Duane Benson
You must go here to be told to go there

ZigBee, Part Two

I like the ZigBee module from Microchip that I wrote about below. But theory and practice aren't always the same, so I've ordered two of the modules to try out.

In my spare time, I sometimes build little robots and I've wanted to try out wireless for some time now. I don't have enough time to dig into the low level stuff and figure out how to do it from scratch so these modules seem like they might just be the ticket.

I'm going to see if I can integrate some ZigBee into my robots with these modules and I'll keep you posted on the progress. The modules are backordered at Microchip until November 14th, but that will give me some time to dig out some of the old bot boards and get ready. I'll prototype up the software with my old boards and at the same time, I'll get PCB123, from Sunstone Circuits, out and do a re-design to use more surface mount and shrink the boards.

Check back here periodically to see my progress and if all goes well, I'll have the actual bots in our booth at Embedded Systems Conference, Silicon Valley in April 2009.

Duane Benson
Wireless minds want to know

The Next Big Idea?

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than half a million new businesses open every year in this country. Granted some of them are pizza parlors and carpet cleaners, but a lot of them are start-ups put together by an engineer with a great idea. Big business is important, but start-ups are what really drive innovation in this country.

So, what do you do if you are one of those engineers with a big idea but don't have a clue as to whether you can build it or sell it, or more importantly, make a living off of it? Some people will just quit their job and go for it. Others will work late into the night so they can keep their day-job while designing and building it. Some go on their own and some gather a team and get some venture capital money.

There are a lot of ways to answer the question in detail, but sometimes a simple rule-of-thumb can help to at least jump start the process.

For example; take your total bill of materials cost. It doesn't have to be exact because we're just getting a rough estimate. Go to Digi-Key and get costs for, say, 100 or maybe 1,000 sets of your parts.Then go to and get an online quote for the same number of pcbs. Add that up for your BOM cost. Then double that. That's your cost to a reseller. Then double it again for the price they will sell it at to an end customer.

That means if your BOM cost is $500.00, it will probably sell to customers for about $2,000. It gets a lot more complicated, but this is usually close enough to give you a "yeah, that could work" or a "hmm. I need to to be more creative."

Duane Benson
Ignore the man behind the curtain

Sponsored Spotlight - OpNeAR

Our sponsorship program recently added the OpNeAR group from The Erik Jonsson School of Engineering & Computer Science at the University of Texas at Dallas (that's a mouthful of a name). If you want it to be even longer, go ahead and spell out The Open Networking Advanced Research Lab at The... Just go to their web site.

These guys are focused on advancing wireless and optical networking technology and the group we are sponsoring just won a design contest put on by Texas Instruments. Take a look at this page for specific details on the project.

I love the tag line for the engineering school: "FEARLESS engineering" That phrase is their trademark so don't go trying to use it yourself. They beat you to it. It makes a simple, yet dramatic and powerful statement. You can't do much better than that.

Opnear_board_500Speaking of doing better... The guys won the design contest and the system they built works so well that additional students are coming in just to use it. Click on the thumbnail for a larger view. If you look closely at the board, you'll note that our board-fab partner Sunstone (AKA PCBexpress) also helped on this project.

Congratulations OpNeAR! and keep up the good work.

Screaming Circuits

Most parts in place

Mark Rules has made a bit of progress on his tiny motor controller. Someone suggested that he look at a rigid-flex board so that the driver could be wrapped around one of the motors. The idea would be to have the RS232 and MCU on one rigid board, the regulator and motor driver on a second rigid board and the connectors on a third rigid, all connected by flex. He looked at it for a while and then decided: "later."

Mr_early_layout For now, he has the placement of the four chips and all of the passives. The smallest parts  were going to be 0402, but it was getting a little tight under the board and he wanted to keep the MCU bypass cap close to the power and ground. The C-delay picked for the regulator was available in an 0201 size too, so both of those were moved to 0201 packages. Without the connectors, the whole layout measures about 1/2" x 1/2".

Right now, all the passives are under the board. As much as possible, though, none are directlyDfn8_w_stop_and_paste_w_viastr_1   under the chips. Keeping them out from directly under does take up a little more space, but it allows for easier routing of the RS232 BGA and leaves room for vias in the QFN pads for the regulator and motor driver. The big PIC won't need vias, but he may use that space for a connector.